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Nov 12, 2012 10:00am EST
about this. i called david petraeus. >> and are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. there is a way to do it. >> and several top republicans are demanding petraeus come back to capitol hill this week to testify before congress over the attack on the american consulate in benghazi. >> i don't see how in the world you can find out what happened in benghazi before, during and after the attack if general petraeus doesn't testify. so from my point of view, it's absolutely essential that he give testimony before the congress so we can figure out benghazi. >> let me bring in the editor in chief for "reason" magazine matt welch and jackie kucinich. we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted som
Nov 14, 2012 7:00am PST
about former cia director david petraeus, the other on the attack on the consulate in benghazi. what do you expect to hear and what are the questions you have that are most pressing? >> well, we'll have top people from across the administration coming in very soon to talk to us about benghazi and we want to obviously understand the facts and what we knew and when we knew it. it was a terrible tragedy that we lost a u.s. ambassador among -- along with several others and we need to understand who knew what and when and we have to obviously make sure that something like this could never happen again. hold those people accountable. >> the time line is one thing. what can you tell us about the possibility that paula broadwell might have had access to classified information? >> well, these are things that we want to get into more details about, as well, the whole general petraeus situation is unfortunate. i have incredible respect for general petraeus and he had done an excellent job as cia director. i found him to be very credible and forthcoming and was doing a good job at cia. it's a bi
Nov 16, 2012 10:00am EST
arising from petraeus's testimony. what can you tell us about david petraeus's testimony this morning? >> i think he gave us a very candid assessment of his initial thoughts based on the best intelligence when he originally briefed us and how the assessments changed over time. and i think he and others have completely debunked the idea that there was some politicization of the intelligence. there's never been any substance to that charge. i can only surmise that, you know, this was a campaign era attack and some of my colleagues just can't let it go. all the evidence to the contrary they just can't seem to let it go. you know, people respected what he had to say today. many of us value the contributions he has made to the country and are sorry to see him go but, again, there is simply no there there. yes, they made errors in their initial assessment. that is going to happen. we have binders full of the raw intelligence. we can see why those errors were made. we can also see why they changed and improved their assessment. there is no great mystery. >> were you satisfied with what david
Nov 12, 2012 7:00am PST
another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues of national defense and security, has been broken for some time. i was speaking with a senator who was part of the class fight breakdowns of the post-benghazi debacle. and he described those discussions as being the most useless he's ever heard. so there isn't a lot of information sharing over congress. and i think congress also hasn't been doing its job in constructing proper oversight into what's happening overseas and especially with our intelligence services. i would chalk it up probably as part of that kind of bad information loop. >> i guess the point that dianne feinstein was trying to make is you have an issue that could be one of national security. we haven't really heard either side criticizing so much the affair
Nov 15, 2012 10:00am EST
>>> very good morning to you. i'm richard lui. chris jansing is away this morning. president obama seems ready for a fight over what happened in libya and the fiscal cliff. a confident commander in chief took to the podium at the first news conference since his re-election. he pushed back on suggestions that his security team mishandled what happened in libya and defended ambassador susan rice. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. and i'm happy to have that discussion with them. but for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmirch her reputation is outrageous. >>. >> and the president drew a line on taxes saying revenue must come from people who make over $250,000. >> what have i'm not going to do is extend further a tax cut for folks who don't need it, which would cost close to a trillion dollars. >> i want to bring in a columnist for the "washington post." good morning. let's start with you. over the next two days, congress is holding those closed hearings on libya. we saw a very strong defense on susan rice. do you think number one, we'll learn something from the hearings. do you think we'll hear a nomination for susan rice? >> well, it's the nomination that certainly seem to be what obama was hinting at yesterday, although he was clear he had not made the decision. that was an exthe record theirly strong defense in particular to accepting david petraeus' resignation so quickly. hopefully somebody will be heard about the libya hearings this week. hopefully not something tossed into the public domain the way it was on the house side earlier, which just became part of the election season. it's a serious issue. it largely involves the cia. these are not exactly things that could or should be on the front of the newspaper or the top of your broadcast. >> was the president hedging his bets by defending her so strongly should he decide not to select her? >> well, i'm sorry for me? >> yes, that's for you. >> it was -- it struck me as extraordinary the way he gave that full throated defense. there are a lot of detractors of susan rice on the hill that have nothing to do with the benghazi thing. it seemed like in many areas the president was doing a victory lap. he just won a bigger than expected victory last week. he's certainly giving strong hints that susan rice is his candidate. >> senator john mccain is really pushing. and you heard the sound from yesterday. i want to play what he said on the "today show." listen to this. >> by the way, i'm not taking anybody on. the american people lost four brave americans. we owe it to their families. for the president of the united states for two weeks afterwards to deny that's the case is a coverup or incompetence. either one of the two. >> we've heard this from him. from lindsay graham and kelly iot. are those just the three that feel this way? are they outlieers. >> i think there's a big demand to find out what happened in benghazi and to do so through a select committee. there's going to be no sharing of intelligence between the various committees who look into benghazi. so the idea is a select committee can take this on, share information and really get to the bottom of it. what republicans are saying is the obama administration has put out very conflicting stories about what happened in benghazi, when they knew about it, what they did about it and how they sort of perpetuated the idea this was a spontaneous attack. so the republicans on capitol hill are saying we only need to get through the double talk. get to the bottom of what happened. we lost an american am bas dpor. three other americans. president obama said i did everything i could as soon as we found out this is happening. then how come the whole place was left completely undefended? there's so many big ands of questions. that's what senator mccain was getting at yesterday when he said let's put together a committee that can look at this specifically, rather than having it scattered and half a dozen committees looking at it. this may give us a better answer faster. that's ultimately what everybody wants to keep the americans safe abroad and in the future. >> is this part of the mccain and obama conflict from 2008? >> i think mccain -- right after obama was elected in 2008, mccain really extended an olive branch. he was very conciliatory with president obama. president obama campaigned a certain way in 2008, beat mccain talking about reaching across the aisle and didn't do that. so mccain from the get go was saying, hey, you said you were going to work across the aisle. now he's just calling him on the carp elt. no one is more outspoken than senator mccain. >> i want to talk about taxes and the fiscal cliff. the president said he wants taxes to go up on the well think. what's your thought here? what do you make of that? is he leaving room for negotiations on the deductions? >> well, not a whole lot richard. he was basically coming back with what the position had been earlier, using the $250,000 level. well, theoretically he's open to whatever possibility somebody ask come up with, but he cast doubt on that. the danger, i suppose, is that they reach some deal on some compromise on the bush tax rates, and then never do the tax reform that everybody agrees is needed to actually restructure the thing. so there's a danger in trying to solve the problem in the short term here. they do a quick fix that doesn't really fix the system in the way everybody wants it too. >> and the credit rating agzsys are saying the same. they don't want this to be kicked down the road. take a listen to this. >> i do think the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week from myself and my team, from democrats across the aisle, from the president, have created an atmosphere where i think that i remain optimistic. >> do you think there is a genuine feeling here that more than ever stheez guthese guys nt a deal done? >> yes, they know they need to do something. look at the jobless numbers that came out today. looking at the economy, things are not recovering as fast as people would like. looking at europe. the stock market dropped. in recent days everybody knows there's a real urgency to avoiding the fiscal cliff and doing something. i don't think the solution will necessarily be raising taxes on the top brackets. it seems like the loopholes are going to play a big role. capital gains, things like that. there may be an issue where they really go toe-to-toe on the tax rates and maybe there's wiggle room in the other areas. definitely an urgency to resolve this and set up the idea of overall tax reform in the coming years. >> standby, if you could. i want to bring in sheila jackson lee. so we were just talking about that with susan. would you be comfortable with the fiscal cliff that kept the rates the same but limited their deductions. >> you know, my main focus would be to ensure that the middle class are restored. in order to do that we cannot allow the bush tax cuts to continue. we must focus on saving medicare and social security. tax reform raises many proposals. the question of rates. the question of deductions. and i think it's dangerous to not look back and reflect on what got uz into a positive economy. it created 20 million jobs. higher rates in terms of tax rates for the healthy and created a tax scheme, if you will, a structure that protected the middle class. that's what i'm interested in along with entitlements that are a safety net for the middle class, and we're not prepared to look any way that would undermine those protective nets. in that means rates have to go higher for the wealthy, then i think the wealthy who voted for president obama in large numbers understand the mutual sacrifice necessary to build and continue to build the economy. it's already building. we need everyone to commit to a sacrifice for that to happen. >> the elimination of all the tax rates would raise 2 trillion dollars over ten years. that's more than 1.6 trillion that the white house is saying they want right now. that's what you're saying would be a good basis for a deal. that's what you're saying? >> what i'm saying is i don't want to immediately not look at options that would include that. but certainly the wealthy could benefit from tax credit. they could benefit from a mortgage deduction, i'm sure. there are various deductions in play that they would benefit from as well. in the instance as looking at those deductions that impact the wealthy just because of their assets, i think they should be in play. i'm not in any way looking to target those who are prosperous, except for eliminating the bush tax cuts over $250,000. i don't consider that target. they will get a tax cut as well. so i don't want to be boxed into the idea that everything would be eliminated, but there would be those eliminated that would be particularly in the top 1%. they would also benefit from mortgage deduction, child credit and we would have the opportunity to protect the precious safety net of medicare, medicaid, social security and give everybody a tax cut. >> i want to hit this for you finally. we're going to see david petraeus come to the hill to testify tomorrow. are you concerned over the way the fbi handled the situation so far? specifically when you look at this? do you think the president should have been told about the investigation earlier? >> well, i'm on homeland security and my first priority is to ensure the national security of this nation but as well i want to not have us forget that we lost four valiant americans and we must continue to mourn them. it must be a sad time for their family. but i believe in process. and i do believe there is a time when the president of the united states should be notified. however, the fbi proceeds in investigations all the times. we should have some standards as to whether or not the fbi was in order in looking at what i consider may have been private matters. if it had to do with national security or they thought a crime was in play and they had the right to do so, i don't think we have the necessary standards. it looks like we don't have a test or at least it seems that we as congresspersons are concerned, when is the test when the president should be notified? the key question today for general petraeus, i believe are two things. one, the processes that went forward to ensure the protection of americans overseas, in the line of duty of their nation. secondarily to ensure -- and i'm sure this question will be asked. not in the private matter of his private issues but that no national security was compromised. to date we understand in his personal matters no national security was compromised. but certainly poor judgment was exercised. and men and women of the united states military may work alongside of each other every day. we owe them a debt of gratitude. in the instance of these individuals involved in the other aspect of general petraeus' live, despite his great service and the service of the individual writing his biography, we know that poor judgment was exercised. let us not label all the military personnel in that category. today general petraeus must speak to the issues dealing with the lost lives of americans in laib ya, and he must speak to the issue that no national security was compromised. we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president did address the issue yesterday, though he moved on quickly. should the president have been notified earlier? >> it sounds like as a general matter, what the congresswoman is saying is correct. there should be some definition of when an investigation needs to be brought up. but certainly if the fbi is looking to something in the white house you want want them alerting the white house. in the case of petraeus, nobody is furnishing any evidence that national security was compromised in any way. which raises the question, why was this so important in the first place and why is this worth ending the career of the man who got us through the iraq war and has been one of the best generals. >>> we just learned yesterday that paula broadwell was suspended. joe kelly's pass has been revoked. should we be concerned nevertheless about sensitive information being compromised here? >> well, there has apparently been a development very recently. i'm reading on the internet that it's been discovered that paula broadwell had vast amounts of classified information on her computer. which was recovered from her house in north carolina. and there's a question about why she had this information, how she got it. whether she should have it. y i know she had some kind of security clearance. apparently she had quite a bit of classified information. what did she have? if she did have a lot of information, that poses a security risk. it was on her personal computer, not in a secure location. these are important questions. everyone says, well, this was a personal matter. it was a personal matter until you're leaking classified information. and it warrants investigation, for sure. >> and susan, that investigation continues, although officials are telling nbc nothing has been compromised, as has been mentioned in our discussion, so far. thanks for your time today and we'll be right back. 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leaders of major financial firms who largely backed the president in 2008 overwhelmingly backed mitt romney this time around. but the looming fiscal cliff is bringing both sides together. the president met with a dozen corporate leaders at the white house on wednesday. some ideas offered up by observers to smooth out differences? well, first, don't pretend the problem between washington and wall street does not exist. perhaps a weekend retreat with both sides, financial and policy gurus. and finally criminally prosecute those on wall street who caused the financial crisis. joining me now is the man behind those ideas. william cohen is also the author of "money and power: how goldman sachs came to rule the world." let's say he does bring those ideas to bear. will business accept them? will they like them? >> look, i understand there's a lot of animosity out there towards wall street and justifiably so. if it weren't for wall street chances are pretty good we wouldn't have gotten into the financial problems of 2007 and 2008. the time for the behavior and figuring out what they should have done is over. the market has been down nearly every day since the president was reelected. up a little bit today. the fiscal cliff or curve or whatever it is looms. it's time for wall street in washington. >> will they like the ideas that you wrote out there? >> no. of course they like the idea of working together. they won't like the idea of being prosecuted. i think they go hand in hand. they need to be prosecuted for wrong doing. that has not happened yet. after the savings and loan crisis in 1977 and '78, 3,500 wall streeters were put in jail. this time, zero. it's a matter of prosecution and getting these people held accountable. do that and also learn to work together. in the real world it's important for washington and wall street to work together. >> the fiscal cliff as well as taxes, talked about by the president. what does business want on these two issues? >> you know what, i think despite all of their backing of mitt romney who of course wanted to cut their taxes. i think in reality leaders of wall street as was poibtd nted yesterday, are prepared to pay more in taxes. i hear that wherever i go. wealthy people are willing to pay more in taxes. they also want to see it combined with prudent spending cuts that show fiscal responsibility. you know, don't forget bill crystal said last week on fox that when taxes were raised in the reagan administration, he didn't say when taxes were raised in the clinton administration. the economy took off. so i think leaders -- >> it's possible. it's definitely possible. >> talk about the spirit of compromise that he had mentioned. what does the president get here out of this in if he gets business leaders on board to get republicans to deal? if he gets them on board, will it force republicans to deal? >> we've seen repeatedly the republicans are seen on their own planetary orbit. if you get wealthy americans to say to them that you have to cut a deal, i think what is really important here is you need to show fiscal responsibility. there's 1 trillion to $2 trillion of gas sitting on the sidelines. and they want to be invested in this country, in growing businesses, in building new equipment. >> does this show us therefore we might be seeing what you just described? release some of the 1.2 trillion dlarz? >> if we can show fiscal responsibility, yes. we still get to keep american businesseses competitive. can we have that together? >> i bet we can. i bet the stock market will take off and the economy will improve rapidly if we get our act together. >> a lot of people like your positive message. thank you so much. >> all right. >> president obama is moments away from lifting off for new york city. he's headed to staten island. he will be thanking their first responders. take a look at the recovery efforts that are ongoing. governor kwau moe asked for $30 billion from the government to help recover. 43 people died in new york city as a result of the storm. 23 on staten island alone. look, if you have copd like me, you know it can be hard to breathe, and how that feels. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open for 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. 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>> that's right, richard. good morning to you. just a short while ago the military here on the radio station claimed responsibility for the rocket that landed at the southern tip of tel-aviv. it also raises questions about the ongoing operation which is aimed to stop the rocket fire. it certainly hasn't been able to suppress it entirely. this did not start with yesterday's scaling of the military commander. in fact, he was buried today. thousands of people attended his funeral. for them it's been an ongoing conflict over several days. earlier in the week israel ca y carried out several air strikes. that fuelled the latest round of violence. and it is one that is now continuing for at least the third straight day and one that u.s. president obama is trying to deal with. they have started cease fires in the past with israel. they're now heavily gauged in trying to put a truth in place following the deadly assassination of the leader. they're also obsessed with israel carrying out the attack. egypt has been leading calls in the international community to convene a meeting today as well as yesterday's security council meeting. they say it's only going to exacerbate the situation here. and lead to further violence. and that's what we're seeing unfold. today another palestinian rocket landed in the southern part of israel, killing three palestinians. israel as well is carrying out air strikes here. so this is an ongoing cycle of violence that only threatens to widen. >> >> very serious situation there in gaza. thank you so much. >>> democrats and republicans are both taking aim at mitt romney, who told donors who lost because president obama handed out big gifts. >> what the president, president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote. >> romney said the forgiveness of college loan interest was a big gift for college loan voters. he said they were very big with young college age women. and romney said free health care was a big plus. some fellow republicans were quit to reject romney's assessment. louisiana governor bobby jindal, incoming chair of the governor's association says, quote, i think that's wrong. we have to stop dividing the american voters. we need to go after 100% of the votes, not 53%. and we need to continue to show how our policies helped every voter out there achieve the american dream. which is to be in the middle class. let's bring in our strategy panel, american spectator, contributor, editor j.p.freher. let's start with you, jp. the romney campaign saying he was e will be rating on what he said about the campaign's eftd to target key demographics. most specifically women. are free gifts what sealed the deal for president obama? >> well, i don't think this explains what happens in new hampshire. if you look at the turnout in ohio, for instance, romney had fewer votes than mccain. so it doesn't actually explain all that much regarding his loss. i think that romney is just sort of falling back on some bad advice, which he had been receiving through the campaign. it's a real shame. it also positions the party very poof poorly. i think what governor jindal said is very correct. we failed to articulate why republican proposals can really help the poor. how it could help various groups in america. it can help the economy. and that's a story that really didn't get out there in this election, and the republican party needs to get better at doing that. >> jp, senior obama campaigned a virz david action l roll sent out this tweet in response, saying still looking for america through that 47% prism that tells donors to take him in. do romney's remarks hurt republicans at a time when they're trying to reach out to minority voters? trying to change the narrative here? >> it hurts. unfortunately for romney, he's going to play much less of a roll in the party now that his bid is over, now that he lost the election. i think people like bobby jindal will have a much louder voice. i think it's a little bit of a step back. but bobby jindal is putting forward the right kind of message, which is the republican party should be going after 100% of voters, not just 53%. >> and governor jindal was visibly annoyed by mitt romney ease comments. but the question may be, did he do a good job in speaking for republicans, trying to find a way forward? a different way? >> i think governor jindal said all things. the test will come in the months and years about the positions the republican party will have to change. the first test in the fiscal cliff negotiation. are they going to continue to insist that the people at the top who make the most money should not participate in solving the problem. are they going to insist in the beginning of next year when we turn to immigration reform that they're not going to help solve the problem of coming up with a comprehensive immigration reform bill. the problem for the republicans is they have to change positions. when they change positions people in the base will be very unhappy, and it's going to divide the party. but governor jindal is saying all the right things. the questions will be do the actions follow his words? >> also looking back to try to understand what happened during the 2012 election, running mate paul ryan, as you know, said urban voters gave the president the big margin to win. the critics are saying this is about questioning the democratic get out the vote efforts and mirntds. is it? >> no. when you look at the numbers, that's not really the reason they lost the election. i think they lost the election for two reasons. one, because they were out of step with the majority of american people and two because some of the positions were wrong and people disagreed with them. the reason hispanic voters didn't vote for republicans by a huge margin was because they disagreed with their position. the reason young people did not vote for republicans by a big margin was they disagreed with a lot of their social issue positions on gay and lesbian issues. and so the republicans faced the reality that they're going to have to listen to the american people and change some of their substantive policy positions if they're going to attract these voters. >> you know, j.p., they also lost some largely world battleground states with majorities like new hampshire and iowa. is it really just talking about the examples cited? specifically ohio and virginia? >> think it's worthwhile that the republican party left a lot of voters on the table. they didn't pursue everyone. paul ryan said he wanted to go to inner cities and talk about the economic message. that's something the party should be doing. i understand what steve is talking about regarding not being agreed with by young voters, but let's be honest. was the romney campaign going after all of the people that it could have? absolutely not. so there was an outreach effort that they had never bothderred to approach. and that's something the republican party will have to do better with in the coming years. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> also making news, 17 european countries are now officially in a recession. the european union says the 17-country eurozone economy shrank by 0.1% in the third quarter. that's the second time in a row it shrank this year in spain demonstrators broke windows and threw bottles at police. the unemployment rate is over 25% in spain right now. >>> is it history for hostess? the demise of ding-dongs. aman amanda is here with what's moving your money. there goes the late night snacks. the hostess brand that makes the twinkies filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy back in january. now that they are going to seek to lick we did the company unless enough workers stop striking by 5:00 p.m. to resume the normal operation. if liquidation is the option that they go for, they would begin the operations as soon as november 20th. as to why the strike, just a bit of background in the information for your here, richard. it's the members of the bakery tobacco workers in the international union. they went on strike in november 9th. so 5:00 p.m. today we'll find out if we still get twin keys or not. >> it's a good thing the twin keys last a long time. let's talk wal-mart. they're going gourmet. >> they're going gourmet. they have a new service. it's a male subscription service called goodies. it lets you try new foods for $7 a month. for that $7 you get a box of 5 to 8 sample food items. and these products are not currently carried on wal-mart shelves. it's really testing out to see what the customer likes. and wal-mart did start testing the service about three months ago. they already have 3,000 subscribe subscribers. you can get items like pumpkin souffle and dark chocolate infused bars. >> that's starting to sound like the boxes we get on the airline. >> if you're lucky. >> thank you so much. as always. >> see you tomorrow. >>> as politicians wrangle over what to do about the economy, forbes is out with the top list of businesses and the u.s. does not take the top ten. number five, canada. number four, singapore. number three, hong kong. number two, denmark. and the best country for business, new zealand. forbes saying they have a great climate for entrepreneurs. the united states ranked number 12 this year. lists all done. raise the roof! no one says that anymore, mom. 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[ sigh of relief ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. >>> head and neck cancer patients often suffer from dry mouth. patients who underwent weekly acupuncture were more likely to say the symptoms improved, although no physical increase in saliva production republican governors are holding a two-day meeting in las vegas to examine why mitt romney lost and how to build the party to deliver an effective message and the rest of the party may want to pay close attention. republican governors added one majority to now totalling 30. now sitting republican governor seats were lost in the last election. they picked up north carolina, the state that has not elected a republican fwov nor since the 1980s. joining me now is the executive editor of the national journal hot line. you're basically saying in your piece that for some level here, republican governors are able to moderate what other republicans are not able to. you look at 30 out of 50 governorships that are republican, what is happening on the gubernatorial level that's different than the congressional and national levels? >> well, richard, it's remarkable you're seeing all this soul searching taking place, but when you look at the the republican governors, they can point to something of a policy agenda in some cases that has won support from both sides of the aisle. you look at chris christie in new jersey who has a lot of national celebrity. but he was able to cut spending and reform the pension system in the first year while getting democratic support for the initiative. you look at bobby jindal saying he needs to reform in the wake of mitt romney's loss. he's taken the lead on education reform and received very positive reviews for his handling of the recovery in the wake of hurricane katrina. so you have the republican governors getting things done and providing a model of how they can transition. >> on the map right now california is reading blue in terms of the gubernatorial leading, but california, for instance, has had a whole series of republican governors. we have pennsylvania. we have new jersey, as you just mentioned. are all of these republican governors successful for very different reasons? >>. >> there's a whole swath of policy interests. and another thing that you can look at with the republican gubernatorial is diversity. you have hispanic governors in nevada. they won election of 2010. susanna martinez who got rave reviews for the convention speech at the the republican national convention. you see the republican wing in congress being very, very white. a lot of males dominating the caucus. on the governor's side you have a lot of hispanic and indiana-american governor es showing the way. >> you make the point that four of the five women serving as governors in 2013 are republicans. you look at large majorities of african-americans. latino and asian americans voting democratic, the question may be how important for the gop's future are women and minority governors to the party, and they clearly have more at this point than actually the democrats do at that level? >> yeah, it's really remarkable when you look at the the governors and how they have a much more diversity and ethnicity and in gender. and it's a real model when you look at the the exit polling data showing how badly romney underperformed with female voters and how he just did terribly with hispanics and asian-americans. you look at -- if identity is going to be a big factor in the upcoming election. you can look at susan martinez and bobby jindal. >> why wasn't he able to leverage that on the balance of power on the gubernatorial level? >> what jindal said today is very revealing. he said romney ran too much on his biography and not enough on policy. you'll hear more from the diverse set of governors on policy and reform more than being a fix-it businessman as romney was. >> because the ground games. >> they do. and many are up for re-election in 2014. if they win, someone like susan martinez or sandoval wins the re-election, expect to hear a lot about them in the national landscape. >> a lot of interesting possibles from the state house. thank you so much. >> thanks, richard. today's tweet of the day makes a prediction about one of the gop's governors. bound in trade doesn't have a prediction. market going on for bobby jindal, as gop's 2016 nominee because i bet that baby would be s skyrocketing. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. 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resigned david petraeus. >> it's tragic. bottom line, you're talking about families, you're talking about outstanding military leaders and overall questions about the fbi. >> the pentagon inspector general is now investigating now general john allen. top american commander in afghanistan. fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain commander in afghanistan. . >>> i don't even know where to begin. how does this happen? >> well, i don't know it happens. particularly in the digital age. the idea that people think that if you have thousands of e-mails that they're not going to be picked up and found out it's sort of amazing. what's most di
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the david petraeus scandal is that he had an affair. everything else about this story is weird, in the washington post. >> i was going to see skyfall this weekend. i'm going to stay at home and read the sunday times. this is totally bizarre. there's so much that we don't know, this fbi investigator. not just four people. there's an fbi and cia, infa infatuated with jill kelley >> let's get this straight. this guy works at the fbi, becomes infatuated. she gets shirtless photos of him allegedly. she goes to him and says i'm getting these weird e-mails. >> he takes this matter into a federal investigation you have to wonder. an fbi investigation if not for this one agent's involvement and especially him going to congress as a whistle blower saying it wasn't being investigated fairly. it's just very bizarre. >> once the fbi got involved, why didn't notify the white house and congress right away? the questions go on and on. >> don't send shirtless picture of yourself, unless they're vacation photos with your family. >> these e-mails with john allen, 20,000 and 30,000 e-mails. as a membe
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>>> good morning. there's a lot going on this friday morning in washington and around the world. in 15 minutes congressional leaders will meet with president obama to talk about the fiscal cliff. also this morning former cia director david patraeus testifying at two closed hearings on capitol hill about what happened on september 11 in libya. >>> major developments in the situation in israel and gaza where they could be on the brink of war. two rockets hitting southern tel aviv today. that was the sound they heard there. while no one was hurt it is the farthest gaza has ever hit inside israel. a brief cease-fire earlier in the day did not last long either. let's go to gaza live. >> reporter: good morning, richard. in fact, those sirens you're hearing on the israeli side, there aren't any of them here in gaza. in fact, israel has been carrying out air strikes all over the course of the past several hours. palestinians are reporting that there were casualties including a palestinian boy in the city. palestinian militants have been able to fire rockets into southern israel. there is no sign that the conflict on that front is actually slowing down. in fact, what many people here are questioning is the ability of the palestinians to be able to fire rockets so deep into israel raising questions about whether the israeli military operations so far have been successful. talking about a cease-fire there was brief hope of that today when the egyptian prime minister with a high ranking delegation of his ministers arrived here. he came to express a message of solidarity with the palestinian people denouncing the israeli aggression and he described it on the gaza strip but he was also trying to carry a message of a possible truce being broken. shortly after he arrived israel carried out a series of air strikes in the gaza strip. the hope that there could have been a truce or lull in the violence was quickly shattered. on the humanitarian front the palestinian people here in gaza, very dire situation for them. they are unable to get the basic supplies they need and have been complaining about the cost of food and the shortage of some supplies as a result of the war over the past 48 hours. so a lot of developments here. right now the question is whether or not there is going to be a ground invasion and there are ominous signs as israel prepares or at least amasses its forces on the border and international aid workers leaving gaza that that is in fact what is going to happen in the coming days. richard? >> tensions rising there in gaza. thank you so much. we'll be speaking with p.j. crowley coming up a spokesman from the state department with more on that story. >>> also one of our top stories today general petraeus finishing up testimony before the house intelligence committee now talking to the senate intelligence community. he is being questioned on what happened on september 11 in benghazi. of course, he also has been under fire for his affair with by ogg raffer paula broadwell. i want to bring in my guests. you know, this was supposed to clear up questions about what happened in libya and the timing but here is what peter king had to say just last hour. >> many streams of intelligence but he also stated that he thought all along he made it clear that there was significant terrorism involvement and that is my recollection. i'm satisfied with the ultimate conclusion he reached. i told him i honestly disagreed with his recollection of what he told us on september 14th. >> not his recollection here. will this just raise more questions? >> i think for republicans it will. i do get a sense there is fishing for a scandal here on the part of republican members of congress. they had been doing that before the election and i think it hasn't stopped since. i think what we know is that there was a straight forward difference between the cia's initial assessment of what happened on september 11 in benghazi and what they later revised that assessment to be. i don't think there is a scandal there. i think you had the cia giving its best initial assessment to dr. susan rice who then gave that assessment to the public on behalf of the white house and then the assessment changed on the part of the cia. i'm not sure what the scandal is but i've heard words like watergate being thrown around which i think goes a step too far and is too political. >> cameras did not catch petraeus arriving this morning even though there were reporters staking out every possible entrance and all we saw was a black car leaving his home early this morning. "the washington post" is reporting also here that the hearings are being held in secret committee rooms used for discussion on national security matters. what do you think this says about how petraeus is viewed on the hill? >> well, i don't know what republicans, whether they're fishing for a scandal or not but i'm fishing for answers. there's no doubt that the public was given misleading and wrong information at the beginning by susan rice. the president was exactly right. she was just reading the talking points she was given by the administration and she was on that show at the administration's request. but why is it we didn't know right away that it was a terrorist action? was it miscommunication in the fog of war? most americans would understand that. or was there an attempt to deceive the public because they didn't want to have a bad story out? i don't know because i'm hearing different things from the administration and i would like to see a clear answer on this myself. >> ron, stand by. joy-ann as well. i'll bring in congressman adam schiff a democrat from california who is on the select committee on intelligence. representative, peter king basically saying yet more questions are arising from petraeus's testimony. what can you tell us about david petraeus's testimony this morning? >> i think he gave us a very candid assessment of his initial thoughts based on the best intelligence when he originally briefed us and how the assessments changed over time. and i think he and others have completely debunked the idea that there was some politicization of the intelligence. there's never been any substance to that charge. i can only surmise that, you know, this was a campaign era attack and some of my colleagues just can't let it go. all the evidence to the contrary they just can't seem to let it go. you know, people respected what he had to say today. many of us value the contributions he has made to the country and are sorry to see him go but, again, there is simply no there there. yes, they made errors in their initial assessment. that is going to happen. we have binders full of the raw intelligence. we can see why those errors were made. we can also see why they changed and improved their assessment. there is no great mystery. >> were you satisfied with what david patraeus said? representative king said he was. >> was i satisfied? yes. you know, i think these are, you know, people who were giving us their best professional insights and at the time they told us, look, it's early. we're going to learn more. this is what we think right now. and some of the members just didn't pay attention when they were told these are our early assessments. and there is a lot of fog of war that covers an event like this and if i could go into the particulars of the intelligence you'd have a better sense of just why initially they thought there were protests outside of the facility. >> can you talk around what the particulars were? >> well, you know, we have a combination of intelligence streams, some human intelligence, some technical and tactical. some open source. you have organizations taking credit for things they didn't do. you have other organizations disavowing their involvement that may have been involved. and so you have to parce all of that out and sort it out and that takes time. some of the very best evidence, and i think some of the best evidence was some of the video evidence didn't come to us until late and i think there are good questions about why we didn't get that sooner or why some of the state department people, why their views didn't rise to the top because they were in the best position to tell us, but that doesn't suggest in any way that there was some politicization and i think it is time for us to move on and find those responsible and bring them to justice. >> john mccain and a few other senators as you know have been very vocal saying this administration was either incompetent or involved in a coverup, those words. what you heard today, does it put that question to rest? >> it really does. and no one who's ever come in from the intelligence community has ever suggested anything along those lines. i asked the general in particular about ambassador rice and he was very clear. the unclassified talking points we were given were their best assessment they could give us without compromising classified information. and her comments track that exactly. we were given that late on saturday. she appeared early on sunday. there is simply no there there and i wish my gop colleagues could move on to focus on what we should be focusing on, which is finding those responsible and bringing them to justice. in a year in which it wouldn't have been a presidential election that's what we would be doing and that's what we should be doing now. >> well, about that affair with paula broadwell, and the possibility of classified information being compromised, what did you learn about that? was that discussed at all? >> it really wasn't discussed at all. there was a threshold question at the outside -- outset of the hearing just to set the stage essentially that nothing to do with the reasons why he resigned had any impact on benghazi or there was no connection between the two and once that threshold question was set aside then we were able to move on to the focus of the hearing which was purely benghazi. >> 90 minutes more or less. what was the mood? >> i think the mood was somber. you know, certainly people understand the difficult time that general petraeus is going through. nobody wanted to embarrass him or humiliate him. we wanted to get to the bottom of why the early assessments weren't accurate. what kind of security did we have? what does this say going forward? and as he always has, when he's come to testify before a committee, i think he was very forthcoming, very straight shooter, and that didn't change today. >> all right. congressman adam schiff, thank you so much for your time today. back to our journalists, ron, to you first, from what you heard from the congressman does that help answer some of the questions that you had? >> no, it doesn't. hopefully more will come out of these hearings and followup reporting by journalists. i think folks would like to know when was it that the cia had a definitive proof this was a terrorist attack? why wasn't that information brought to the public immediately? i'm kind of struck by the questions about the affair. i would think if petraeus compromised national security because of the affair, put himself in a bad position he should be held accountable obviously and if general allen or petraeus violated the military code of conduct obviously should be held accountable. but really the big story here is there are still men and women fighting and dying in afghanistan and if i'm one of those soldiers over there or a member of their family i'd be more interested in us covering that story and focusing on what is happening or not happening there than the personal lives of these men. >> joy-ann, petraeus was the only member of the security team able to go back to benghazi since that attack. is the big question here really timing when you look at it? did the administration know this was a terrorist attack right away and if so, what susan rice said on "meet the press" they're trying to put the timing together with that. what does that say about the video, the reasoning that was given? >> i think what we recall that the president did call it an act of terror the first time he spoke of the attack there. i think if the question is that it is the most important to the public is whether the word "terrorism" was used early enough i'm not sure what the meat of that supposed scandal would be. i think that if there was some sort of a conspiracy you'd have to believe that the head of the cia general petraeus, a man that the republican party once wanted or thought of as a potential presidential nominee, would have had to conspire to lie essentially about the details of an attack on our own compound. is that really what is being alleged here i don't even think republican members of congress are alleging that. i'm not sure what they're trying to get at. the administration was given an assessment by the cia. susan rice went to the public and gave that to the public. when that information changed, the new information was given to the public. so i am not sure what they're looking for because i don't think there is anything beyond that. >> just to be clear, i'm not saying there's necessarily a conspiracy. what i'm saying is there was a lack of clarity. if the president was indeed clear that first day in saying that this was a terrorist act which by the way i don't think he was that clear, he was speaking generally, then why would susan rice a few days later not refer to it as a terrorist act? the fact of the matter is -- >> so the issue is the word terrorism wasn't used to the public satisfaction? >> one day it was vaguely described. the president saying that he referred to terror one day and then several days later the secretary or susan rice doesn't even refer to terrorism. she is talking about -- you can go right back to the video. the facts weren't clearly described from the beginning. >> isn't that an attack on our compound by definition an act of terror? i'm not sure i understand what exactly -- if the scandal is the public wasn't given the right nomenclature i'm not really sure why we're having hearings about that. >> joy-ann and ron, we have 90 minutes more in the senate where david petraeus is answering questions. perhaps we'll get more answers to what has happened regarding the issue you're talking about and more. we'll of course be watching that. joy-ann reid, ron fournier, thank you for your time today. we're just a short time from president obama's meeting with congressional leaders at the white house. speaker john boehner and house minority leader nancy pelosi will be there and others at any moment to talk about the fiscal cliff. the president spoke to labor leaders and business executives earlier in the week. it's a busy day in washington, d.c. we'll have more on all of this coming up. diarrhea, gas, bloating? 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>> we know it can become very serious. we've had these experiences in the past. you know, some handled at a relatively modest level of violence but obviously we've had a serious incursion by israel into gaza before in response to just these kinds of barrage of rocket attacks. so this could escalate. >> do you see it as a repeat of 2008-2009? >> i mean, on the ground potentially, but obviously there are different reasons here. you know, on the one hand you have a dramatically different landscape. you have a new normal in the middle east in the aftermath of the arab spring and you're seeing very different politics play out here in terms of what hamas is trying to do. you've got a civil war next door in syria. you have a different government in egypt and the morrisey government is reacting differently than perhaps the mubarak government did before. >> what's the short-term solution then? >> well, i think the danger for israel for example, it has a right of self-defense, but obviously if it decides to return ground troops to gaza the optics there work against israel in a much -- in a region that now is governed far more by populism than by authoritarianism. i think it has to make sure that its response is aggressive, tries to deal with the threat to israel's people, but doesn't go too far. >> let's talk about the united states' potential role. health care was president obama's defining achievement for his first term. when we look at a second term will the president look at middle east peace, the road map to peace might this be his big deal for his second term? does it need to be? >> i think that's part of the motivation here. you know, you have coming up the palestinian authority which of course controls the west bank but not gaza is preparing to try to move toward enhanced status within the united nations and then president abbas indicated in the aftermath of that he might petition prime minister netanyahu to resume middle east negotiations. hamas obviously hears that and as we've seen many times in the past is trying to act as the spoiler. it's trying to remind the palestinian people that it's the resistance that's not looking for a peaceful resolution to this. so there's a lot of politics in play in what hamas has done and potential politics in play in terms of how israel responds. obviously this could create an opening down the road. the united states wants to see a return to an actual negotiation but violence usually deters or prevents those kinds of diplomatic openings from occurring. >> hence the look forward to a short-term solution. you recently wrote about the -- when we take a step back from what's happening directly in israel and hamas, you wrote about how wide and broad the problem could be. just to list a couple as you can see, we've got benghazi, pakistan, afghanistan, egypt, iraq, the eurozone, north korea, china. the list goes on and on here. the u.s. has limited international political capital to spend as you know yet the challenges seem to be increasing. they seem to be changing every month. what would you suggest are the top three that the united states should invest its political capital in? >> i think the real danger here is actually you have a cross threading of very different issues. you do have the ultimate challenge in the middle east being iran's nuclear ambitions and obviously the potential that military action may be required potentially to deal with that. i think there will be a diplomatic initiative and we hope that will be successful. you have a genuine civil war going on in syria. there is no real military solution there per se. i think the challenge for the international community is to try to contain the violence within syria. we've seen in recent months shots fired toward turkey. you've had unrest on the other border with jordan so there is a danger that syria could explode as opposed to implode. now you add the gaza situation. some unrest on the border between israel and egypt. so you have these different challenges that could spread if we're not careful. >> a challenging job ahead for the department of state as well as the president. we'll see as things develop there. thank you for stopping by today. >> a pleasure, richard. >>> today's deadline for states to decide whether they'll create their own health care insurance exchange as part of the new health care law is being extended. the white house saying states now have until december 14th. the republican governor's association asked the white house for more time. many gop governors waited to take action hoping mitt romney would win the presidency. the government will set up exchanges in states that do not create their own. look, if you have copd like me, you know it can be hard to breathe, and how that feels. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open for 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. 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there are a whole lot of issues above and beyond just raising rates on the top 2%. >> which a grand bargain might solve as we remember from the last debate, round of negotiations here. >> sure. >> as you were alluding to here the bush tax cuts, that is really the major sticking point. the president wants to keep them. he won't accept those earning over $250,000. just in the last day nancy pelosi offering wiggle room. john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want to avoid that at all costs. the big issue i think for most people would be taxes. most people -- and governor rendell said, well, it's not just a matter of tax increases on the wealthiest americans but it's a host of spending challenges that we face across the board that would impact millions of people and certainly impact us in a huge way. i think republicans have to bend. republicans are going to be looking at of course cuts in spending and cuts in entitlements as well as the possibility of new revenue and i think they're very open to this. i think some republicans will push back and say there is a difference between somebody making 250, that is $250,000 and somebody making a million dollars a year or a difference between somebody making $250,000 and making $500,000 a year. but those are fairly minor points when you consider the amount of money we need to come to agreement on. >> and if there is no agreement according to pew at least on tuesday they were saying by a ratio of 2-1 republican congressional members will be blamed if this does not happen. governor, you know the stakes just to be specific about what joe was talking about, for millions of americans here, let's look at the stakes for every day americans. the tax policy center saying the average middle class family will see taxes rise by nearly $2,000. the congressional budget office saying unemployment could climb to over 9% by the end of next year. so talk about pew. they're also saying 1 in 4 americans are saying that the understanding of the fiscal cliff and saying they understand it very well is only that rate. 1 in 4. does that favor the president because he can frame the argument as chief government spokesman? >> sure. the president always has the bully pulpit. one thing i want to make clear, all of our listeners and viewers now, is that the tax rate increase the president is proposing is only on income earned over 250. so for some family earning $280,000, they'll pay the same rate on the first $250,000 of income. they'll pay the increased rate on only the additional $30,000. so that does cushion the blow for those people at $280,000 in some areas of the country with two kids in college who really aren't very rich. but that cushions the blow. but remember, we've got to do a whole lot more. that is only $800 billion in revenue over ten years. we've got to get up at least another $400 billion or $500 billion in revenue so we have to cut some tax expenditures and also have to cut the military budget. richard, we spend more, ten times more than china, who is the number two spender on military, $700 billion a year compared to china, $70 billion. we spend more than the top 20 other countries in the world spend on defense put together. gates, secretary gates said we could cut $80 billion a year out of military alone. we're not going to get that type of cut but we need to get significant cuts in military spending as well as domestic spending. >> all right. governor rendell, joe watkins. apologize. we'll get to you next time. we'll call you our pennsylvania pundits today on a friday. thank you so much. >>> the death nell for ding dongs. twilight for twinkies. hostess is closing its doors. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what is moving your money. that announcement was made just a few hours ago. not only are we talking about the end of some icon ik baked goods but also thousands of jobs here. >> absolutely. it is really sad. they've got almost 18,500 workers and, richard, most of them are going to be laid off. hostess asked a court's permission this morning to shut down the company because that workers strike i was talking to you about yesterday just basically crippled it and stopped them from being able to operate. bakery operations have been suspended at all plants and now it's focused on selling its assets. that includes 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, but as to what happens to those assets the ceo told cnbc that he is hopeful they can sell those brands or the brands can live on because obviously these are iconic and have been in many americans' homes for decades. >> i can't even tell you how many ding dongs and twinkies i've eaten over my lifetime and i better not. thank you so much. cnbc's mandy drury on a friday, have a good one. >> thank you. you too. >>> you're thinking about going back to school or have a loved one applying to college kiplingers is out with the worst majors for your career. number 5, graphic design. the average salary is $32,000 with an unemployment rate of 12% right out of school. sorry. number 4, philosophy and religious studies. number 3, film and photographery. number 2, fine arts. and the worst college major, anthropology. students make an average of $28,000 after graduation if they can get a job. the unemployment rate for recent grads in that field is almost 11%. ♪ [ male announcer ] are you on medicare? 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>> well, i think it is because people are participating, people are engaged in our democratic process. america is more open and tolerant than it ever has been in its history and i think that folks want to be part of this great american experiment. i mean, america started out great for religion. it said congress shall make no law establishing religion nor bridge the free exercise thereof. also it said there is no religious test to hold office. and now we're seeing, reaping the fruits of that, those promises and it's really a great thing. >> un, we can't help but think of jfk. when he was elected. >> oh, yeah. >> the issue of catholicism was being debated. that was a big milestone. you being elected as a muslim was another. we have mitt romney as a presidential candidate, a mormon. >> right. >> we look at all of these here. the issue of religion, the wider religious representation that's happening at the moment, does it show it is becoming an issue or is it a nonissue in the voting booth now? >> it's both for different people. there is no doubt about it there are people who write to my office every day decrying the fact that i'm a muslim and there are people, you know, mormons have been subject to discrimination and mitt romney had to deal with some of that but what it really shows is most americans believe in religious tolerance. most people believe in inclusion. but there is a vocal minority who always lets us know they are there trying to buy people on the basis of religion. and, unfortunately, we can't ignore them but, fortunately, they don't rule the day. >> and the mix of what has happened in congress just to go back oo years compared to the current congress, the number of protestant christian members has gone down by more than 17 percentage points. there are now more catholics and jews and we have more mormons, muslims, and buddhists serving. just looking at the numbers in front of you. on the flip side of that, what more needs to be done when it comes to religious diversity in congress and as you were just mentioning, tolerance. >> right. well, what more needs to be done is we need to make use of the diverse talents of the people who are there. we should learn from each other more and we should use each other to benefit from the life experience of people who are newly arrived in congress. i mean, since i've been in congress i've been called upon by friends, both sides of the aisle, to tell them a little bit more about what islam is about. of course, i expect the newer members will be called upon to be -- to explain their way of living and seeing the world, too. but i think that we can't just be there together. we've got to benefit from being there together and that means we've got to talk and communicate. we also have to stand up against religious bigotry because, again, it still is there. it is still part of our life. >> you were mentioning the talking with each other, working with each other. you being a religious minority in congress. the first muslim as we have been mentioning. what might you say to who i just mentioned, the first hindu and the first buddhist when you see them in the halls for the first time? what might you say to them? >> well, what i'll say to them is, welcome to congress. look forward to helping you in any way i can. and what i have been, after the greeting and after recognizing their status as a member of congress without regard to race, religion, or anything like that, then i might say, you know, let's talk about how we can promote religious tolerance for all people. let's talk about how we can be faithful to constitutional promise of inclusion for all faith traditions. and let's build on that. i would recommend don't hide. don't minimize. but also, don't let your religion define you. i mean, you're also -- nobody can get to the u.s. congress based simply on a religious identity. you're here because of your business background, your education background, whatever it is. and let that really be what defines you. remember, when jackie robinson broke into the major leagues, he was the first black baseball player but if he didn't get any hits, he would have been a footnote in history. he happened to be the rookie of the year. i think the best thing to do is be excellent. do the best you can and serve your constituents and speak up for the people who sent you here. >> that is what the american people want, no doubt. thank you so much. congressman keith ellison, have a good weekend. >> yes, sir. >> all righty. today's tweet of the day comes from someone who thinks something fishy is going on with hostess closing its doors. church curmudgeon writes this. somehow i think they're not telling the whole truth. i suspect little debby is behind all of this. hash tag twinkies. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. 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record theirly strong defense in particular to accepting david petraeus' resignation so quickly. hopefully somebody will be heard about the libya hearings this week. hopefully not something tossed into the public domain the way it was on the house side earlier, which just became part of the election season. it's a serious issue. it largely involves the cia. these are not exactly things that could or should be on the front of the newspaper or the top of your broadcast. >> was the president hedging his bets by defending her so strongly should he decide not to select her? >> well, i'm sorry for me? >> yes, that's for you. >> it was -- it struck me as extraordinary the way he gave that full throated defense. there are a lot of detractors of susan rice on the hill that have nothing to do with the benghazi thing. it seemed like in many areas the president was doing a victory lap. he just won a bigger than expected victory last week. he's certainly giving strong hints that susan rice is his candidate. >> senator john mccain is really pushing. and you heard the sound from yesterday. i w
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former cia director david petraeus will testify before the senate intelligence committee tomorrow. that information is coming to us from kelly o'donnell who spoke to a veteran senator on capitol hill and, of course, it comes as some tough questions are expected today for president obama. he's giving his first news conference since being re-elected. he will meet the press at 1:0 this afternoon and probably should be prepared to answer some tough questions about general petraeus and allen and the fbi investigation as well as libya, not to mention the fiscal cliff and we're learning more about the woman who knew both general, tampa socialite jill kelley. a senior defense official says the e-mails between the two were more than just calling one another sweetheart, they were flirtatious and unprofessional. both of them wrote letters vouching for her sister in a child custody case and she made this phone call claiming she had some sort of diplomatic status which she does not. >> i am an honorary consul-general so i have unveilability so i should -- they should not be going across my property.
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